I enjoyed this New Yorker Out Loud podcast episode, “The Dissident,” in which Kelefa Sanneh talks about Tavis Smiley and Barack Obama. Sanneh’s New Yorker story, which he discusses in the episode, is called “What He Knows for Sure: Tavis Smiley confronts the Obama candidacy,” and it can be found on the New Yorker site here.
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